I do have some customers looking for some of these newer color strains but as a business the cost/risk to bring in these is to high, but I'm still loooking. I'm A dealer, LFS & sell Discus from Hans & have not had problems with the fishes or selling them. When dealing with any fish, the CoC is very important thing to think makes a difference in the overall health, quality, and life span of your fish. Their CoC is shorter and their quality of stock is much higher. Same goes for all major US discus importers from Asia (Kenny, Mike Beals, etc, etc). Very few change of hands, higher quality stock (better overall health), and proper handling leads to a better product. Hans for instance, his CoC is about as short as you can go as a wholesaler/importer.farm->Hans->end consumer. Mostly because the Germans have a higher standard for their fish (no live feeds, no hormones, etc). German stock is typically much higher in overall quality. Granted not all fish have that long of a CoC, but it happens frequently. Farm->Broker->exporter->Importer/transhipper->wholesaler->LFS->end customer. Dont forget that the general Chain of Command (CoC) can be quite long and that in itself is very stressful to any fish.stressed fish = stressed immune system = sick fish.Some CoC's are very long. Not all "wholesale" quality discus exported from SE Asia are like that, but it is safe to say a decent amount of them are. Hormones really screw with their bodies and eventually they will break down and become sick and die. The unfortunate side of Asian discus is that a lot of them are sold at 2-3" and are hormoned. Once they are landed in the US their costs are around $4-5 each via a transhipper (few dollars more if going through a true wholesaler). Most "wholesale" grade discus coming out of Asia have a price of $1-2 each at the point of export (thailand, vietnam, malaysia, etc). Typically asian discus that are imported for resale to LFS are of much lower is a numbers game with the exporters, not necessarily a quality thing. Hans is probably the single largest discus source in the US as that is all he does, but collectively among all the importers who deal in discus he is a small drop in the tank. LFS advertise that they sell Stendker discus! LOL!įYI hundreds of thousands of discus are imported into the US every year by many US transhippers/wholesalers. I was talking about no name fish from who knows where at the pet store. I don't know how you thought I was somehow singling out Stendker fish. I was simply stating what happens to no name discus that end up in pet stores. By the way, I was speaking in general terms, and did exclude Hans from anything. If a person buys quality fish from a good source, and raises them properly, it really doesn't matter where they were hatched. Like I said in the beginning, good fish come from both Asia and Europe, it's mostly how they are raised that make the difference. I only have space for around 100 to 125 or so adults, so I sell or trade off fish with friends occasionally to try something I've not raised before. (Although I may try to breed some of those newer Stendker Tefes one day). I've already worked with most of the older strains. I mostly have Asian fish at the moment, because I find newer strains fun to work with. I also have many fish from Asia, most originated from Discus Forrest. Stendkers are quality fish, I've had them in the past, and still have offspring from some of them. (Like I said when you use the word often and then try to exclude the largest Discus wholesaler that doesn't really work.) So if we actually disagree then we do, but I don't really see where. (IE 3.4 dollars a month to raise a discus is a good number and that is what I ended up in my previous post.) I personally felt I should emphasize that buying a cheap discus doesn't even make sense even if it turns out to be healthy and not have any disease. We have basically stated the same concerns. I again state that I know next to nothing about these types of wholesalers for Discus except to stay away from them.Īll I am stating is that to my knowledge Hans is the largest Discus wholesaler in the US, and that the topic asked specifically if one should buy Hans or Asian. So if you go over my statements you will see I have only stated what I have learned via talking to Hans, and other Discus keepers plus my own experiance.Īnd you are absolutely correct there are wholesalers that will buy discus from asia, and then try to quickly sell them for a profit before they loss money on losses and such. I only care about giving out correct information.
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